discopete1 ([info]discopete1) wrote,
@ 2007-09-07 10:00:00
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Senator Craig
Here I am at work reading social commentary on the subject when Craig has been at work perusing websites describing the best public restrooms to seek anonymous gay sex. Upon hearing about such websites, several thoughts came to mind:
-is this decided by voting, or is it like some Men's Health contributor giving a top ten of his personal favorite gyms
-does Minneapolis consider these kinds of ratings when determining the customers enjoyment of their visit to the Minneapolis-St Paul region?
-are the people just meeting there, or are they having sex in the bathroom. If the latter, is it anal, oral, or merely fondling under the clothes? Regardless, I cannot fathom the attraction of sex acts in a public restroom...don't you realize what most people are doing in there?
-do lesbians bother with this sort of rating? Part of me doubts it, but I still haven't gotten a straight clear answer on whether lesbians rate boobs the way straight men do
-I have yet to find the appropriate website, but I'm certain it would tell me that my bedroom is the best place for unanonymous sex with my wife...perhaps I should generate a list.
-Regardless, public restrooms would not be on the list, particularly because I now associate the restrooms at the Minneapolis airport as a place where I argue with my daughter over whether or not she needs to go pee (She does need to pee...but she's frightened of the cut-out in the toilet seat and has a remarkably springy bladder)
-on a more somber note, why was it a misdemeanor. Exactly how much 'lewd behavior' do you need to demonstrate to get arrested? I assume they can't stop you and fine you for starting to jaywalk until, say, both your feet are in the street. Perhaps it gets you stopped when you reach your hand under the divider (for the bathroom sex misdemeanor, not jaywalking).
-Yes, I find the whole matter titillating, but I want to hear more gay-friendly voices discussing the entrapment angle
-I was just in the bathroom now and had someone in the stall next to me. I didn't know who they were (couldn't recognize the shoes) but was considering tapping my foot to try to get a laugh. Some people at my work would have busted out laughing, others would have been offended, and others might have taken it as a serious solicitation...so I held back.

As Lipby pointed out to me, we (straight men) are confused when it comes to the nuts and bolts of other people's sexuality. As you can see, thinking about it has piqued my curiosity. As I drove home down Kelly Drive, watching some of the joggers, I had to wonder about whether gay men and straight women barely notice the jogging women they way I pass over the ROTC guys like poor TV reception. Are there people who are genuinely uninterested in looking at any of the people (sexually disinterested, not because you are a cautious driver)? Also, how scrambled does the sex need to be for you to loose interest? When I was younger, I could deal with Picasso porn but drew the line at purely aural sex.

Now I'll post this and have no one comment, leave me hanging out like a freak. Go ahead, enjoy humiliating me.


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[info]evelynne
2007-09-07 02:58 pm UTC (link)
You can always count on me to participate in inappropriate topics of conversation.

are the people just meeting there, or are they having sex in the bathroom. If the latter, is it anal, oral, or merely fondling under the clothes? Regardless, I cannot fathom the attraction of sex acts in a public restroom...don't you realize what most people are doing in there?

This is what I've been wondering. But then, I also wonder about the mile-high club. I can see the attraction of doing such a thing right up until I try to figure out the logistics. No matter what position we used, somebody would have to be touching surfaces in an airplane bathroom, possibly even with parts it would be difficult to wash and/or Purell afterwards. ICK.

As I drove home down Kelly Drive, watching some of the joggers, I had to wonder about whether gay men and straight women barely notice the jogging women they way I pass over the ROTC guys like poor TV reception.

LOL!! I look at everyone, but with rare exceptions, I'm more interested in the leaner guys from a sexual standpoint. I don't like huge bulky muscles. I do like muscles that are at least partly obtained through actual physical work that creates something -- I gawk quite a bit at those young Philly-native contractors working shirtless around the neighborhood in summer, and they're not particularly big, really. The kind of guy I am most likely to be attracted to (skinny long-haired brainy) is not very likely to be out jogging on Kelly Drive, though.

If a guy trips the gaydar I gloss over him because enjoying their looks from anything other than a purely aesthetic viewpoint is pointless. So I mostly look at the women, thinking "You go girl!" when I see somebody who looks like she's just starting out and is struggling, and clutching my chest in imagined pain when I see those very large-breasted women out jogging without a sports bra. Ow.

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[info]discopete1
2007-09-07 03:16 pm UTC (link)
I also notice the men who are just starting out, although I'm mentally betting on how long they'll keep it up. I think I feel this way because I know how many times I've started an exercise program.

Thanks for not leaving me hanging!

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[info]mdnitemarv
2007-09-07 04:08 pm UTC (link)
I never get to look at joggers on Kelly Drive, but I do look at everyone. They want to be looked at, right? Otherwise, they wouldn't be outside. Usually I admire a good physique no matter who has it. Often I want to look that good myself!

But I do have some sexual attraction to strong-looking women; it's likely part of why I watch so much tennis and softball. I mean, how do you not marvel at powerful legs like these:



If you like lean, built-for-speed muscle, I suggest watching more tennis. That breakout kid Novak Djokovic is one tall, dark and handsome Serb:

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[info]evelynne
2007-09-12 12:58 am UTC (link)
Those are some incredibly impressive legs. Wow. Wow.

Unfortunately, the Serb's hair is way too short for me, including his body hair. ;) I'll keep an eye out and see if he grows it out a little.

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[info]theballadofyoko
2007-09-07 03:05 pm UTC (link)
I think these questions are great.

"I have yet to find the appropriate website, but I'm certain it would tell me that my bedroom is the best place for unanonymous sex with my wife."

I have a feeling Cosmo might tell you differently, but I don't feel like looking for an article to prove it. How's that for lazy research?

"Are there people who are genuinely uninterested in looking at any of the people?"

I look at everyone, but I don't understand the "I'd tap that" kind of thought some people have when looking-- I never have. I tend to think "I wonder how that guy deals with sunburn on his pecs" or "would I look good wearing purple spandex shorts like she does?" Who's the freak now?

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[info]discopete1
2007-09-07 05:52 pm UTC (link)
Cosmo...I'd get so bored writing for them. "Five things your many wants you to do in bed (you'll be surprised!)" (Is fellatio really that surprising?)

I don't understand the "I'd tap that" kind of thought
When checking out women on the drive, I'm not actually thinking of tapping anything, but there's more of a 'mmmmmmm, ladies' vibe. Not to try to sell it as subtle, but I don't think I'm fantasizing, more just appreciating.

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[info]theballadofyoko
2007-09-07 05:58 pm UTC (link)
Fellatio-- yeah. Someone's gotta be pretty unimaginative to be surprised by that suggestion.
I love that part in Lipby's post about having 3 rest rooms-- men, women, and fellatio. That made me laugh.

Appreciating. Yeah, I get that one. I do that, at good-looking men and women alike. Admiring beauty.

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[info]discopete1
2007-09-07 06:08 pm UTC (link)
I liked that suggestion too, particularly for the airport. "Damn, what the hell am I supposed to do during a 3 hour layover..."

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[info]mdnitemarv
2007-09-07 03:56 pm UTC (link)
About public restroom sex:

-Some people like danger and dirty when it comes to sex. It gets them hyped up, and sex is about getting hyped up for it, right?

-It's an innocuous place to meet people randomly who are into the same thing;

-Legally, it's probably a misdemeanor because "lewd behavior" as a federal law (hence a felony) likely would be too difficult to enforce without someone challenging it. Far easier to leave it to the states, the whole "community standards" thing.

-I actually don't consider this entrapment, since you have people who are actually doing this, it is a public concern (sorry folks, just can't have sex in public), and you actually have a real guy being approached by another guy.

Now those so-called "internet predator" stings where cops/civilians pose as underage kids interested in having sex with some older person, those are legally tricky to me. Even though the accused are obviously interested in having sex with a someone underage, I think it's legally odd to arrest someone for what they want to do/thought they could do, to bait these guys into showing up with promises of jailbait, and how can you sexually solicit a minor when it actually wasn't one? I guess the idea is that you've closed the "deal" to commit the crime, so they can get you on that, which is legally reasonable.

-I don't really know about lesbians and restroom sex, but I do have firsthand accounts from people I know of girls getting it on in the restroom. It would be so easy; girls always go in pairs, right? Plus there were these two NFL football cheerleaders.

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[info]discopete1
2007-09-07 06:04 pm UTC (link)
Well, it's nice to have some of the lesbian question answered (still need to find out of they are web-posting hotspots).

The misdemeanor issue that I have is over the harmfulness of the illegal action that is prevented. Arresting someone with intent to commit a felony is obviously beneficial because you are preventing a harmful action, and the person stopped should receive some sort of punishment. Preventing a 'victimless crime' in the mensroom, however, doesn't have the same strong driving force in my mind.

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[info]lipbylipby
2007-09-08 03:54 pm UTC (link)
Ah, yes. Those cheerleaders gave me some cheer when that happened. Simply wonderful. At work last night, by the way, we had an event that included two cheerleaders. And you know what? They were really sweet and nice. One was a student at U of Arts and the other at University of Philadelphia. I found them more likable than sexy (though they were dressed so skimpily that I couldn't help be notice their sexiness.)

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[info]mdnitemarv
2007-09-08 04:48 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, NFL cheerleaders tend to be very likeable, sweet and nice. Which is amazing, given how they only make next to no money to do it, so you have to like what you do and like the attention.

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[info]tdj
2007-09-07 04:16 pm UTC (link)
Bathroom better be frickin' spotless, is what I'm sayin'.

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[info]discopete1
2007-09-07 05:55 pm UTC (link)
If you happened upon the Swedish Bikini Team getting dressed in the washroom, I'd expect germaphobe Terry to studiously avoid physical contact, because, this is the bathroom after all! There's fecal spores EVERYWHERE!

I know this with some authority, because I know you are one to place your garbage neatly on the garbage lid to avoid contact with said lid.

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[info]lipbylipby
2007-09-08 03:55 pm UTC (link)
Oh, man! I'd probably roll around in a pig sty with the Swedish bikini club, if that was the only way.

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[info]tdj
2007-09-12 04:40 am UTC (link)
I would simply have to cover all available surfaces with the Swedish Bikini Team.

Problem solved.

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